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Lazy Liner and Line Driver

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Lazy-Liner

From: RandyV
Date: 9/13/00   9:03:27 AM
OK, Guys (and gals). I am setting up a budget for next year and I am considering adding a Lazy-Liner to our equipment inventory. I need some good testimonials (pro and con) to help me decide. The questions I have are listed below;

1.Does the Lazy-Liner really speed up production on small to mid-sized lots (20-200 stalls)?

2.Is it easier to paint straight lines with it?

3.Does it make single stall (against curbs) painting quicker or is it quicker to paint single stalls on foot?

4.If I can paint 550-600 feet per hour (including layout time), how much of an improvement do you expect I would see? (actual painting time on that would be about 15 minutes by foot – we figure that approximately 20% - 25% of our total time is spent painting and 75% - 80% is spent laying out)

I know that the Lazy-Liner would be great for big lots and long road lines. I can also imagine how much less exhausted a person would be after a 12-14 hour day. Fonz has also advised me to purchase only the larger 11hp model and of course the 15 gallon poly hopper. However, I am finding it hard to believe that it really improves production on the small to mid sized lots to the point of justifying the expense (sorry about being a doubting Thomas Fonz).

If I can achieve a 50% improvement in painting efficiency, I would gain 7.5 minutes/hour or 12.5% overall. That means in 30 straight ten hour days, the machine would be near break even for me based on my average gross painting income. If 50% is realistic, then the decision is a no-brainer. If the improvement is only 10%, it is a different matter. I guess what I need to know is what percentage increase in painting production can I realistically expect in different sized jobs. The answer to this question really dictates the pay-back on the purchase of a machine like this. Maybe if you guys can give a good estimate of what percentage of time you spend actually painting when using your Lazy-Liners I could get a good comparison.

 

From: jpanz
Date: 9/13/00   10:00:07 PM
I bought the 5 horsepower about 2 years ago. The only thing bad I can say is that I should have bought the 11 horse. After talking will Bill from Fine Line last year and taking the 11 hps for a test run, it well worth it. As far as speeding up your production, it does take a couple of jobs to maximize and get use to the machine. And you will pay for it real fast. If you plan on working 4 - 10 hour days of striping, its hard to walk after the second. But with this after the fourth day you will want to work 2 or 3 more days. As far as the small lots, I use it for almost every job over 5 lines. I think and so do others that it make a better line then you pushing the machine. If you make a crooked line, you were not set up right on the line so if you pushed it, it would be crooked too. I did a job 80 lines and 10 arrows start to finish was 1 1/2 hours. If you are looking to speed up the job you must have the 15 gallon hopper. As I found out the hard way, DO NOT put 15 gallons in it put 11 or 12 gallons. IF you want, email me for more details.

To sum it up, it saves time and money.

Jim

 

From: straight line
Date: 9/13/00   11:41:40 PM
if your only doing 550 feet an hour now that roundabout 30 lines, I do 150 lines an hour against the curb on foot with the lazy liner maybe 200, on long lines I can double what I use to do

 

From: Bob
Date: 9/14/00   1:20:45 PM
Randy I purchased my Lazy Liner last year and it paid for it self in less that two months. I use it on any job that I figure would take me more that 2 hours to due by pushing, with it I get done in about 45 min. As the rest have said it is well worth the money once you get use to it. Bob

 

From: Fonz
Date: 9/15/00   2:00:15 AM
Speed is one thing, but exhaustion is another. The darn thing saved my butt this year. You know yourself you walk 4 feet for every foot of paint you put down. I buzz around the lot doing a lot of things I used walk for. The main thing is I'm not all tired and worn out at the end of the day.

And it puts down a great straight line.......it pushes from the very center of the machine, it takes a lot of the body English out of a bad line. I can put down a straighter line with the lazy-liner then walking, especially on restripes or over new seal-coat.

Randy, don't even consider the 5 horse.....the 11 horse-power is the way to go. Hopefully I'll try to bring my whole rig up to Lansing and you can try it out!!

 

From: Fonz
Date: 9/15/00   1:56:38 PM
I forgot to mention one important thing. You would not believe the comments I get when I drive that lazy-liner out of the trailer. People are amazed !! It says one word to the property owner right off the bat.."Professional"

I get so many truly great comments when I arrive at the job site...new truck..new trailer...and everything as neat as a pin inside. But when I drive out the lazy-liner it knocks their socks off!! I had a guy stop me yesterday that does a lot of work for Ford, GM and Chrysler...he was amazed and offered me work on the spot!! He had never seen one.

So there's more to owning one of the darn things then just speed.

 

From: ken
Date: 9/16/00   12:56:12 PM
Amen brother Fonz! Plus, other things can be moved with the LL. Everything we own that has wheels is getting or already has a LL attachment........ including the Billy Goats. The LL makes sweeping a breeze (no play on words intended). Sweeping time is cut in half and the walking is cut almost completely.

 

Painting with a Lazy Liner

From: Fonz
Date: 4/9/00       7:44:47 PM

Well guys, I took delivery last week on a new Graco 3900 and a Lazy Liner 11 hp. My wallet is thinner then a French crepe suzette!!! Anyway.........for the extra speed.(hoping I don't kill myself first with the darn thing)...I was guessing a tip size of 321 to 323 for latex..........and 319 to 321 for alkyd................am I in the ballpark???????

 

From: jpanz
Date: 4/9/00       10:38:56 PM

Hey Fonz, I use 321 al most all the time. The guy who I sub wants a good coat of paint with any hassles. I havent had a problem yet with the bigger tips. I use 323 on new asphalt.

Jim

 

From: LINE A LOT
Date: 4/9/00       10:47:43 PM

Have a graco Line Lazer 3500 ,would this Lazy Liner fit onto this machine. what do they cost.

 

From: Fonz
Date: 4/9/00       11:08:35 PM

One arm & one leg...........or.....first-born son...or....$5,500......take your pick!!

I really debated on the first-born son........was tempting!!

 

Lazy-Liner

From: RandyV
Date: 9/13/00     9:03:27 AM
 OK, Guys (and gals). I am setting up a budget for next year and I am considering adding a Lazy-Liner to our equipment inventory. I need some good testimonials (pro and con) to help me decide. The questions I have are listed below;

1.Does the Lazy-Liner really speed up production on small to mid-sized lots (20-200 stalls)?

2.Is it easier to paint straight lines with it?

3.Does it make single stall (against curbs) painting quicker or is it quicker to paint single stalls on foot?

4.If I can paint 550-600 feet per hour (including layout time), how much of an improvement do you expect I would see? (actual painting time on that would be about 15 minutes by foot – we figure that approximately 20% - 25% of our total time is spent painting and 75% - 80% is spent laying out)

I know that the Lazy-Liner would be great for big lots and long road lines. I can also imagine how much less exhausted a person would be after a 12-14 hour day. Fonz has also advised me to purchase only the larger 11hp model and of course the 15 gallon poly hopper. However, I am finding it hard to believe that it really improves production on the small to mid sized lots to the point of justifying the expense (sorry about being a doubting Thomas Fonz).

If I can achieve a 50% improvement in painting efficiency, I would gain 7.5 minutes/hour or 12.5% overall. That means in 30 straight ten hour days, the machine would be near break even for me based on my average gross painting income. If 50% is realistic, then the decision is a no-brainer. If the improvement is only 10%, it is a different matter. I guess what I need to know is what percentage increase in painting production can I realistically expect in different sized jobs. The answer to this question really dictates the pay-back on the purchase of a machine like this. Maybe if you guys can give a good estimate of what percentage of time you spend actually painting when using your Lazy-Liners I could get a good comparison.

 

From: jpanz
Date: 9/13/00     10:00:07 PM
 I bought the 5 horsepower about 2 years ago. The only thing bad I can say is that I should have bought the 11 horse. After talking will Bill from Fine Line last year and taking the 11 hps for a test run, it well worth it. As far as speeding up your production, it does take a couple of jobs to maximize and get use to the machine. And you will pay for it real fast. If you plan on working 4 - 10 hour days of striping, its hard to walk after the second. But with this after the fourth day you will want to work 2 or 3 more days. As far as the small lots, I use it for almost every job over 5 lines. I think and so do others that it make a better line then you pushing the machine. If you make a crooked line, you were not set up right on the line so if you pushed it it would be crooked too. I did a job 80 lines and 10 arrows start to finish was 1 1/2 hours. If you are looking to speed up the job you must have the 15 gallon hopper. As I found out the hard way, DO NOT put 15 gallons in it put 11 or 12 gallons. IF you want, email me for more details.

To sum it up, it saves time and money.

Jim

 

From: straight line
Date: 9/13/00     11:41:40 PM
 if your only doing 550 feet an hour now that roundabout 30 lines, I do 150 lines an hour against the curb on foot with the lazy liner maybe 200, on long lines i can double what I use to do

 

From: Bob
Date: 9/14/00     1:20:45 PM
 Randy I purchased my Lazy Liner last year and it paid for it self in less that two months. I use it on any job that I figure would take me more that 2 hours to due by pushing, with it I get done in about 45 min. As the rest have said it is well worth the money once you get use to it. Bob

 

From: Fonz
Date: 9/15/00     2:00:15 AM

Speed is one thing, but exhaustion is another. The darn thing saved my butt this year. You know yourself you walk 4 feet for every foot of paint you put down. I buzz around the lot doing a lot of things I used walk for. The main thing is I'm not all tired and worn out at the end of the day.

And it puts down a great straight line.......it pushes from the very center of the machine, it takes a lot of the body english out of a bad line. I can put down a straighter line with the lazy-liner then walking, especially on restripes or over new seal-coat.

Randy, don't even consider the 5 horse.....the 11 horse-power is the way to go. Hopefully I'll try to bring my whole rig up to Lansing and you can try it out!!

 

From: Randy
Date: 9/15/00     7:06:45 AM
 Thanks for the offer Fonz, if the opportunity presents its - self, I' gladly accept. And afterward, we could see what kind of trouble we could find - of course you'd have to put up with all the Spartan fans here in the Lansing area

 

From: Fonz
Date: 9/15/00     1:56:38 PM
 I forgot to mention one important thing. You would not believe the comments I get when I drive that lazy-liner out of the trailer. People are amazed !! It says one word to the property owner right off the bat.."Professional"

I get so many truly great comments when I arrive at the job site...new truck..new trailer...and everything as neat as a pin inside. But when I drive out the lazy-liner it knocks their socks off!! I had a guy stop me yesterday that does a lot of work for Ford, GM and Chrysler...he was amazed and offered me work on the spot!! He had never seen one.

So there's more to owning one of the darn things then just speed.

 

From: ken
Date: 9/16/00     12:56:12 PM

Amen brother Fonz! Plus, other things can be moved with the LL. Everything we own that has wheels is getting or already has a LL attachment........ including the Billy Goats. The LL makes sweeping a breeze (no play on words intended). Sweeping time is cut in half and the walking is cut almost completely.

 

Lazy Liner What is the scoop

From: Lightning
Date: 12/15/00   2:47:42 AM

Hey Fellas here is another. I finally saw a Lazy liner. If you ask me a fella who has a little knowledge could probably make on of these things out of a old Snapper Lawn Mower. Anybody every made one of these before? How made Old Milwalkees and Maddog 20/20 does it take to make a good design. Do you think we could make a suggestion to the television producers to the Show Junkyard Wars. Who know they might say yes.

 

From: straightline
Date: 12/15/00   9:34:58 AM

you could make one if you want to pay the lazy liner folks a few mill in fines and court costs, my boss made one and it's pure junk, let the pro's make things like this, running down a parking lot at ten to fifteen mph on home on some thing you throw together in your garage my not be the safest thing to do, besides the real thing looks more professional the a hacked mower.

 

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